Icp and Twiztid Beef Majik Ninja Entertainment

March xx, 2019
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Noah Fence is a RACIST piece of shit and so are you lot if you lot back up him. No excuses.

March 20, 2019
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i believe him.

doesn't alter my mind almost annihilation though. love for all sides. nosotros are human.

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March xx, 2019
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I could definitely see J sayin "do it or youre off the label" as the years went on simply i dont know about as early as '99..

I wonder what year that Lotus fight was..

March 20, 2019
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Really Mono DID CLAIM that they stayed OUT of the beef. That is NOT Truthful.

https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/majik-ninja-entertainment/new-twiztid-interview-criticisms/#p229730

23:45
They get into talking about Eminem knowing them and beingness a fan of House of Krazees. And how Eminem told them he was most to sign with Dre. They claim that instead of Eminem having to pay to get on in shows, they just let him on when HOK did shows. Could be true. If they helped him, that makes them nice guys well-nigh the whole matter, I'd say. Eminem goes to the rap olympics and has someone tell Paul basically, I told you so. I'm signing with Dre.

24:50.
Paul says he was telling Eminem nigh the ICP beef, "Look we don't have shit to do with this." They asked ICP to not be involved apparently. "That was a fucked up situation."

25:30
Interviewer restates, "You guys stayed out of it at the end of the twenty-four hours." I hear a "Yeah" and I don't know if information technology's from Jamie or Paul. But Jamie obviously left out how HE offered his services to Slim Anus and Nothing but a Bowwow Thang. Withal it is true that PAUL HIMSELF did NOT participate in whatsoever of the diss tracks ICP made to Eminem. Paul and so says "nosotros were the ones who concluded upwardly getting a concord of Proof and them, trying to squash this crazy dumb shit. And so Proof was with it. Everybody met up at a bowling aisle and squashed information technology. Just like that." Hmmm. Does anyone remember these videos like this that are allegedly Esham Smith'south words from years ago detailing his past disappointments with J and Psychopathic Records?  Esham claims HE helped squash the beef between ICP and Eminem.

Jamie and Paul both took the opportunity to trash Eminem outside of recorded diss songs. Case in point.
https://faygoluvers.internet/v5/forum/majik-ninja-amusement/new-twiztid-interview-criticisms/page-four/#p230135

March 20, 2019
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Ultimatums huh? Like refusing to play at The Gathering unless you got your masters?

I believe what Mono says in his video simply no one is really asking him the existent questions on his live stream echo chamber.

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March 20, 2019
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I typically avert these hour long streams, but I gave this one a shot.  Was only going to listen for a infinitesimal and watched the whole thing.  And I'll say this: check this i out.  He'southward not acting similar an asshole at all, and he speaks directly on the drama and specific reasons that they left Psychopathic including things ICP did to them.

Jason Caffey said
i believe him.

doesn't modify my mind well-nigh anything though. honey for all sides. we are human being.

That.

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March 20, 2019
viii:58 pm

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I'chiliad non taking sides. Everything Paul said most The Blackness Rain, after political party, in Spokane Washington was 100% true. J got pissed that Paul was dancing with a hot chick and they cancelled the rest of that bout. Psy. lost so much money!

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March 20, 2019
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I know his story is true, but he is leaving out the fact that twiztid (in the eyes of psychopathic) were untrustworthy at that point in fourth dimension since they tried to leap ship during the green book era.

Unfortunately the xanax affected fierce J during these times and made things upwardly(in his caput) due to his "trust bug".

When vj found weed,  his mind was clear headed, positive and focused. I feel that some shitty roadie got him into abusing pills,  or twiztid making an effort to exit the characterization during green book made him go into a depression hole and outset abusing pills.

What came start the pills or the trust issues?

Either way,  it's only i part of the story.  And if vj and mono could lose their egos for 10 minutes and talk it out and apologize for their mistakes, shit would turn effectually.  Vj needs to come to grips that pills affected his behavior and acquired more bug that weren't to be made,  and mono needs to understand that vj was not himself and has evolved into a worse version of his past cocky all becuz no 1 talked most their "speculations" of eachother... Vj and mono are a 2 pussies who tin can't confront someone without resorting to childish/teenage measures. They need to put themselves in eachothers shoes and try to empathize eachothers "speculations", gnome sayin.

March 20, 2019
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He also mentioned in this stream that Shaggy also took a swing for no reason other than that J was swinging at Madrox.  If we're talking Black Rain era, that was right at the height of where Shaggy was perpetually drunk.

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March 20, 2019
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Bonesaw Wizardstick said
He likewise mentioned in this stream that Shaggy also took a swing for no reason other than that J was swinging at Madrox.  If we're talking Blackness Pelting era, that was correct at the height of where Shaggy was perpetually boozer.

Naw that swing was a natural reaction from a real ass homie....its like ptsd,  but for hoodlums

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March 20, 2019
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Radam said
Ultimatums huh? Like refusing to play at The Gathering unless yous got your masters?

I believe what Mono says in his video but no one is really asking him the existent questions on his alive stream echo chamber.

Okay. Practice you wanna answer my hard hit questions that no 17%er has been able to answer notwithstanding?

As for Twiztid "blackmailing" their masters out of ICP, once again I disagree. Twiztid could take demanded a huge cash payment and hurt ICP financially even more. By only request for a main, they are non putting a dint in ICP's wallet. Secondly, the reason Twiztid asked for the masters they did is because those were the most popular albums, and they had been out of print for YEARS. Yous could not get physical cds or fifty-fifty stream or download them for small-scale pennies. This was due to failure in the offices of Psychopathic Records.  I buy vinyl, as you tin can tell past my name. I appreciate and love that Twiztid put their albums back out in physical format. I run into no good reason for Twiztid to permit their albums die on Psychopathic Records never to exist resurrected or seen again in physical format but because ICP fucks upward. As a collector of physical media THAT doesn't sit down well with me! Yous can't tell me and await me to believe that whatever Juggalo would tell ICP to not endeavour to get any masters out of Island for a pocket-sized price or fifty-fifty no cost if they could do it - to but shut up and take that defeat! They wouldn't tell ICP to suck it up and not accept a good bargain when they could. And so why does Twiztid have to permit their albums die on a characterization that wasn't keeping them in print, merely ICP would be welcomed to become their shit back from Island for a good price if they could? Why do Juggalos hold Twiztid to a unlike standard? Can anybody explain this without calling me a Twizzler and a dickrider and only give me good logical, philosophical arguments for a double standard?
https://faygoluvers.cyberspace/v5/forum/general-discussion/and then-if-juggalos-will-never-forgive-or-support-twiztid-once again/#p204228

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March xx, 2019
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Are yous not watching the stream carefully? Mono talks about how they got dicked out of hundreds of thousands of dollars. You goddamn correct they deserve their fuckin masters after they lost money, had too many ultimatums and ICP WASN'T PUTTING THEIR ALBUMS BACK INTO Print. Once more, refer to my above questions. Why should Twiztid sit back and permit their albums die on Psychopathic and non give them new life simply because Violent J drops the fucking brawl?

40:forty (from that new brunch northward broil)
Mono:
I know that the Rude Jude interview was very fast. So possibility that what I said was misconstrued because of the speed and you don't have the power to go back and heed to it. But yeah I never said we never had annihilation to do with information technology. I said we didn't want anything to do with it.

March 20, 2019
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He said they're the beginning ones to leave and not go back, everyone else went back only stopped himself. I'm interested to know why he thinks the other artists went back. Oh well.

Its weird that icp showed them their dicks

March 20, 2019
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In that location is zilch that revealing or awe-inspiring here.

Once more, J and Monoxide are both assholes and liars at times. Just similar whatever of the states.

I wasted time here. I'm an idiot.

"Props to Mail service Malone for this rail..." that part woke me from the fugue state. Mail service Malone is not dope. I'm blushing.

March 21, 2019
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Twiztid claims they never beefed with Eminem, What's this?!?

https://world wide web.youtube.com/picket?v=cRlmiI7cfms

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March 21, 2019
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DemonicSwagger said
He said they're the first ones to leave and not go back, everyone else went back but stopped himself. I'1000 interested to know why he thinks the other artists went dorsum. Oh well.

Its weird that icp showed them their dicks

They didn't have as big of a brand as Twiztid did to make it independently.

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At that place is nothing that revealing or monumental here.

In one case again, J and Monoxide are both assholes and liars at times. But like any of the states.

I wasted time here. I'm an idiot.

"Props to Post Malone for this track..." that part woke me from the fugue state. Post Malone is not dope. I'1000 blushing.

That'south the just true reason to be pissed at Twiztid.

March 21, 2019
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Either way,  it's just one part of the story.  And if vj and mono could lose their egos for 10 minutes and talk it out and apologize for their mistakes, shit would turn around.  Vj needs to come to grips that pills afflicted his behavior and caused more issues that weren't to be made,  and mono needs to understand that vj was not himself and has evolved into a worse version of his by self all becuz no 1 talked about their "speculations" of eachother... Vj and mono are a 2 pussies who can't face someone without resorting to kittenish/teenage measures. They need to put themselves in eachothers shoes and attempt to empathize eachothers "speculations", gnome sayin.

Mono said he's tried that 3 times.

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He also mentioned in this stream that Shaggy likewise took a swing for no reason other than that J was swinging at Madrox.  If we're talking Black Rain era, that was right at the summit of where Shaggy was perpetually drunkard.

That'south the best function of the story to be honest. LOL

March 21, 2019
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Okay. Do you wanna answer my hard striking questions that no 17%er has been able to answer yet?

As for Twiztid "blackmailing" their masters out of ICP, again I disagree. Twiztid could have demanded a huge cash payment and hurt ICP financially even more. Past only asking for a master, they are not putting a dint in ICP'due south wallet. Secondly, the reason Twiztid asked for the masters they did is because those were the most popular albums, and they had been out of print for YEARS. You could non get concrete cds or even stream or download them for modest pennies. This was due to failure in the offices of Psychopathic Records.  I buy vinyl, as you tin can tell by my proper noun. I appreciate and love that Twiztid put their albums dorsum out in physical format. I see no expert reason for Twiztid to allow their albums die on Psychopathic Records never to be resurrected or seen again in concrete format only because ICP fucks up. As a collector of physical media THAT doesn't sit well with me! You can't tell me and expect me to believe that whatever Juggalo would tell ICP to not try to get whatever masters out of Isle for a modest price or even no price if they could practice it - to merely close upward and accept that defeat! They wouldn't tell ICP to suck information technology upwardly and not take a good deal when they could. And so why does Twiztid have to let their albums die on a label that wasn't keeping them in impress, but ICP would be welcomed to go their shit dorsum from Island for a good price if they could? Why do Juggalos concord Twiztid to a different standard? Can everyone explain this without calling me a Twizzler and a dickrider and simply requite me good logical, philosophical arguments for a double standard?
https://faygoluvers.internet/v5/forum/full general-word/and so-if-juggalos-volition-never-forgive-or-support-twiztid-again/#p204228

I never understood that either. In the FLH interview the only reason J could give why this was a huge deal was "labels NEVER give away their masters. That's something that a label merely does non do". Just why?
Psychopathic has e'er tried to front like they are different than mainstream labels. I recall when Boondox left (I believe for the 2nd time) and J kinda proudly said Boondox was able to just get out because they don't strength their artists to stay via contract, like other labels do. They tin just leave whenever they feel like it, because Psychopathic own't like other labels. And so if that's the image of Psychopathic that J wants to convey, why would "other labels just don't practise that" be a justification for not wanting to give away masters..

March 21, 2019
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The reason why labels don't requite away their masters is because in that location is coin to be made from them.

If Twiztid wanted to release those albums on MNE they could of paid Psychopathic for the license to print them upwards.

But like Psychopathic had to pay DefJam for the Neat Milenko and Jeckel Bros albums etc so they could release The First Half dozen Boxset.

Psychopathic paid Twiztid up front to make those albums knowing total well the masters and rights to those songs would ultimately be endemic past Psychopathic.

It's a real business organization, not a few kids making mixtapes in their Mum's house.

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Radam said
The reason why labels don't requite away their masters is because there is coin to be fabricated from them.

If Twiztid wanted to release those albums on MNE they could of paid Psychopathic for the license to print them upward.

Just similar Psychopathic had to pay DefJam for the Great Milenko and Jeckel Bros albums etc and so they could release The First Six Boxset.

Psychopathic paid Twiztid upward front to make those albums knowing full well the masters and rights to those songs would ultimately exist endemic past Psychopathic.

Information technology's a real business, not a few kids making mixtapes in their Mum'due south house.

I mean yeah, obviously. But I guess asking for the "reason" was kinda misleading because of form they'd want to keep them considering they might still make money off of them. More precisely, though, the point is, why were people acting and so outraged over Twiztid trying to get their masters? Of course they would desire their masters. And J didn't fifty-fifty say "I feel like playing a gig like the Gathering doesn't cover the price for a primary" or annihilation, he seemed to state categorically "a label does not give away their masters". So again, why the outrage? Like vinyllover said, usually people applaud artists that have been able to get all the rights to their music (seeing as they created it), but in this instance it's seen as some big expose.

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